i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would send if he did it, it would send a signal to the corporate world that okay, this guy he's not -- he doesn't want to just raise everybody's taxes willy-nilly. he's talking sense to us. he's talking our language. maybe if he's going to give us a little, we could give him a little. he gets the corporate people on his side and they start pressuring the republicans even more. >> jennifer: i actually like this a lot. i mean -- i think the effective tax rate which is really the rate that everybody really pays when you include the loopholes is somewhere in the mid-20s right? mid 20%. i might go lower than you would go so then you have the corporate community on your side for both tax reform, corporate tax reform and you would have them hopefully lobbying congress on your behalf regarding the debt ceiling because they don't like that whole congress ho